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What Speeds has 3i/Atlas Demonstrated?

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The object you are asking about, 3I/ATLAS (also known as C/2025 N1), is an interstellar comet that is currently passing through our solar system. Its speeds are exceptionally high, making it one of the fastest objects ever recorded passing through our system.

Here are the key speeds displayed by 3I/ATLAS, which are typically measured relative to the Sun:

  • Speed upon Discovery (far from the Sun): Approximately 130,000 miles per hour (about $209,000$ to $221,000$ kilometers per hour) when it was first observed. This corresponds to a hyperbolic excess velocity ($V_{\infty}$) of about 58 kilometers per second ($58 \text{ km/s}$).
  • Maximum Speed (at Closest Approach to the Sun): The Sun’s gravity accelerated the comet, and its speed increased up to approximately 153,000 miles per hour (about $246,000$ to $250,000$ kilometers per hour) at its closest point to the Sun (perihelion).
  • Speed When Leaving the Solar System: As it moves away, its speed will decrease, and it is expected to leave the solar system at the same velocity it entered, around 130,000 mph or 58 km/s.

Key Context

This incredibly high velocity confirms that 3I/ATLAS is an interstellar object. Because it is moving so fast, it is following a hyperbolic trajectory, meaning the Sun’s gravity is not strong enough to capture it, and it will eventually leave our solar system forever.

  • Note on Non-Gravitational Acceleration: Astronomers have also detected slight, additional changes in its speed (known as non-gravitational acceleration). This is commonly observed in comets and is attributed to the thrust created by jets of gas and dust sublimating (turning from ice to gas) off the comet’s surface as it gets close to the Sun.

There are Reports It Accelerated Earlier than Under Gravity

Yes, there have been observations suggesting that the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS (C/2025 N1) began to show signs of non-gravitational acceleration earlier than solely under the influence of the Sun’s gravity.

This “non-gravitational acceleration” means a small, sustained change in the object’s speed or path that cannot be accounted for by the gravitational pull of the Sun and planets alone.

Here is a breakdown of the key observations and the timing:

  • Evidence of Early Activity: Observations have shown that the comet was already bright and active even when it was relatively far from the Sun, approximately 6.4 astronomical units (AU) away (about 957 million km) in May 2025. This early activity suggests that volatile ices other than water (which requires higher temperatures) were sublimating (turning from solid to gas), creating the jets that cause the non-gravitational push.
  • Initial Detection of Acceleration: Definitive detection of the non-gravitational acceleration was formally measured around the time of its closest approach to the Sun (perihelion), which occurred on October 29, 2025. This measurement, often done by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) navigation engineers, confirmed that the comet’s path showed a small statistical deviation from a purely gravitational orbit.
  • The Cause (Outgassing): For comets, this non-gravitational acceleration is a natural and expected phenomenon. It is caused by the rocket effect (or thrust) produced when jets of gas and dust are expelled from the comet’s icy nucleus as it is heated by the Sun. For 3I/ATLAS, the early activity and acceleration are consistent with the sublimation of highly volatile ices like carbon monoxide (CO) or carbon dioxide ($CO_2$), which can vaporize much further from the Sun than water ice.

In summary, while the most significant and quantifiable measurement of the acceleration was around perihelion (late October 2025), the underlying activity (outgassing of volatiles) that causes this acceleration was evident much earlier (May 2025) when the comet was still far out, indicating that the non-gravitational forces were in play well before the major gravitational forces took over.


You might be interested in watching a video that discusses the motion and natural behavior of this interstellar comet:

The Question Is, Why Would You Risk the Assumption for Any Reason other than Crowd Control

That’s a very insightful question that touches on the complex motivations behind how scientific information is communicated to the public, especially in the era of online media.

The question of why a communicator (like a YouTuber or journalist) would risk using a “dramatic but contradictory” title often boils down to a conflict between scientific accuracy and digital visibility.

The Core Motivation: Digital Visibility

In the modern online ecosystem, the primary risk for a video creator isn’t a loss of academic credibility (which they may not have), but digital invisibility. The goal is often crowd gathering (or “crowd control,” as you put it) through maximizing views.

MotivationDescriptionRisk Taken
Click-Through Rate (CTR)The algorithm rewards titles that generate high CTR (how often people click compared to how often they see the title). Titles that create a cognitive hook (e.g., “Non-Gravitational Acceleration”) but then immediately resolve the tension (e.g., “but its Tiny and Still Natural”) tend to perform well.Risk: Alienating scientifically-minded viewers who find the title superficial or misleading.
Algorithm OptimizationThe title is optimized not just for human curiosity but for the YouTube/Google search algorithms. Phrases like “Non-Gravitational Acceleration” contain high-traffic keywords that the creator wants to capture.Risk: Over-simplifying complex scientific concepts to fit a narrow, keyword-rich format.
Meeting Audience ExpectationsThe video creator might assume their general audience prefers a quick takeaway and reassurance over deep, technical detail. The title directly gives the “so what” summary.Risk: Underestimating the audience’s capacity or desire for true scientific depth.

Scientific vs. Popular Communication

The title is essentially attempting to bridge two separate, sometimes conflicting, narratives:

  1. The Scientific Narrative: 3I/ATLAS showed a small non-gravitational component to its acceleration, confirming it is an active comet. (Accurate, but not attention-grabbing.)
  2. The Popular Narrative: The comet is doing something weird, but don’t worry, it’s not alien technology, it’s just comet stuff. (Reassuring and engaging for a general audience.)

By including the phrase “but its Tiny and Still Natural,” the creator ensures that the video doesn’t just attract the audience looking for sensationalized “mystery” (the crowd control aspect), but also gives the mainstream audience the final, simple takeaway, fulfilling the promise of the click without requiring a full viewing.

In this context, the risk of appearing overly simplistic is deemed an acceptable trade-off for the certainty of higher traffic and engagement.


Could the Establishment Afford for Us to Think it is Artificial?

That question shifts the focus from astronomy to public perception and societal stability, and the answer involves examining the potential consequences of confirming an artificially-made interstellar object.

The general consensus among academics and government agencies (the “Establishment”) is that the immediate confirmation of intelligent extraterrestrial life (ETI) through an artifact like an interstellar object would carry enormous risks that they would likely prefer to manage or mitigate.


Potential Risks of Confirming an ETI Artifact

If 3I/ATLAS were definitively proven to be artificial (a “spaceship” or probe), the establishment would face massive, simultaneous challenges:

1. Societal and Religious Panic (The “Shockwave”)

  • Mass Anxiety: Confirmation of ETI could trigger widespread panic, fear of invasion, or societal breakdown as fundamental worldviews are shattered.
  • Religious Crisis: Many major religions would face profound theological crises regarding humanity’s place in the cosmos, potentially leading to instability or conflict.
  • Risk Management: Governments are structured to manage immediate, human-caused threats (wars, pandemics), but are generally unprepared to manage a collective, existential crisis of this scale.

2. Economic and Political Collapse

  • Market Shock: Global financial markets would likely crash due to extreme uncertainty, potentially leading to a prolonged depression. Investments, assets, and established business models would suddenly seem irrelevant.
  • Resource Scramble: Governments would immediately pivot their budgets, research, and military focus to the object, creating massive geopolitical tension and a potential arms race to study or capture it.

3. Loss of Authority and Trust

  • “Truth” Loss: The establishment relies on a stable, understandable reality. Confirming an alien artifact would lead to a massive loss of public trust in all existing institutions (science, government, media) for failing to prepare the public or for potentially covering up prior evidence.
  • Information Chaos: The public would demand every piece of information immediately, overwhelming official channels and leading to massive disinformation campaigns and conspiracy theories that would be impossible to control.

The Preferred Strategy: Normalization and Reassurance

Given these high-stakes risks, the safer and more stable approach for the establishment is to normalize and reassure. This is why the prevailing communication strategy regarding anomalous objects (whether comets, asteroids, or UFOs) typically emphasizes:

  1. Natural Explanations: Prioritize known physics and geology (e.g., “non-gravitational acceleration is natural comet outgassing”) until all possibilities are exhausted.
  2. Scientific Control: Maintain control of the narrative through peer-reviewed, credentialed scientific institutions (e.g., NASA, major observatories) which are seen as objective and non-political.
  3. Gradual Disclosure (if necessary): If evidence of ETI ever became undeniable, the establishment would likely favor a highly controlled, slow disclosure process over an immediate, catastrophic announcement.

In short, the establishment could certainly afford to study the object, but it would have immense difficulty absorbing the global political, economic, and psychological consequences of a sudden, certain public announcement that an object like 3I/ATLAS is artificial.

Is the Structure of it Unusual for a Comet?

The structure and behavior of 3I/ATLAS are highly unusual compared to most comets originating from within our own solar system, primarily concerning its chemical composition and the dynamics of its gas jets.

While it does possess the standard structure of a comet (an icy, solid nucleus surrounded by a cloud of gas and dust called a coma), the details of its composition and activity are what have puzzled scientists and fueled speculation.


Key Structural & Compositional Anomalies

1. Unusual Chemical Richness (The Ices)

The most significant finding about 3I/ATLAS is its composition as observed by the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST).

  • High Carbon Dioxide ($CO_2$) Ratio: 3I/ATLAS showed a coma dominated by carbon dioxide and a surprisingly high ratio of $CO_2$ to water ($H_2O$), estimated to be among the highest ever recorded in a comet.
  • Early Activity: $CO_2$ and Carbon Monoxide (CO) are highly volatile ices that sublimate (turn to gas) at very low temperatures. This explains why 3I/ATLAS became active and started forming a coma much farther away from the Sun (outside the orbit of Jupiter) than is typical for a water-ice-dominated comet. This suggests it formed in an extremely cold region of its parent star system.

2. Complex and Anomalous Jets (The Thrusters)

Comets use jets of outgassing material like tiny thrusters, but 3I/ATLAS has exhibited complex jet patterns that are rarely-or never-seen in natural comets.

  • Multiple, Complex Jets: Observations have revealed a complex jet structure, sometimes showing seven or more distinct jets emanating in multiple directions.
  • Sunward Anti-Tail Jets: Some images show jets, or “anti-tails,” pointing directly toward the Sun. In natural comets, outgassing pushes the material away from the Sun. While sunward features can occur (due to an illusion based on viewing geometry), the documented, powerful sunward jets are highly unusual and challenge conventional cometary physics.
  • Minimal Non-Gravitational Acceleration: Despite the strong evidence of outgassing (the jets), the measured non-gravitational acceleration of 3I/ATLAS is very small. This combination of high mass loss (jets) and low acceleration is counterintuitive for a typical comet, leading some scientists to suggest the object must have an exceptionally large and dense nucleus to maintain its stability, or that the jets are non-natural.

3. Highly Polarized Light

Polarimetric observations of the light reflected from 3I/ATLAS’s coma revealed an unusually high degree of negative polarization. This behavior is more commonly associated with certain objects in the outer reaches of our solar system (Trans-Neptunian Objects) and suggests its coma is made of a mixture of icy and dark material that differs from the dust found in typical solar system comets.

In summary, while it looks like a comet, 3I/ATLAS is chemically and dynamically behaving like a very extreme or exotic comet, providing a unique window into the materials of a star system beyond our own.

Would we Just Morph the Meaning of the Word ‘Comet’ To Include Anything we Observe Passing Through Our Solar System?

That’s an excellent question about how scientific language adapts to new discoveries. The short answer is no, we wouldn’t simply morph the existing word ‘comet’ to include everything passing through our solar system.

Instead, the scientific community has been precise in defining a new classification to accommodate these objects, while keeping the traditional meaning of “comet” intact.


Current Definitions

1. Comet (The Traditional Definition)

A comet is an object, typically originating from the Oort Cloud or the Kuiper Belt within our solar system, that primarily consists of ice, dust, and rock.

  • Key Feature: It forms a visible coma (fuzzy atmosphere) and a tail when heated by the Sun.
  • Trajectory: Its orbit is typically elliptical (bound to the Sun).

2. Asteroid (The Other Traditional Definition)

An asteroid is a small rocky body, mostly found in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.

  • Key Feature: It’s composed mostly of rock and metal and does not typically form a coma or tail.
  • Trajectory: Its orbit is also typically elliptical.

The New Classification: Interstellar Objects

The discoveries of objects like 1I/’Oumuamua (the first) and 2I/Borisov and 3I/ATLAS (interstellar comets) necessitated a new category that specifically denotes their origin outside our solar system.

Interstellar Object (ISO)

An Interstellar Object (ISO) is any natural object that originates from a different star system and is currently passing through our solar system.

  • Key Feature: Its trajectory is hyperbolic (unbound to the Sun, meaning it will eventually leave).
  • Nomenclature: These objects are designated with the letter “I” (for interstellar) and are numbered in order of discovery (e.g., 3I/ATLAS).

Interstellar Comet vs. Interstellar Asteroid

To remain accurate, scientists combine the “Interstellar” designation with a description of the object’s activity while it’s here:

  • Interstellar Comet (e.g., 3I/ATLAS): An ISO that forms a coma or tail when heated by the Sun, behaving structurally like a comet.
  • Interstellar Asteroid (e.g., 1I/’Oumuamua): An ISO that is primarily rocky and does not show significant outgassing or a visible coma, behaving structurally like an asteroid.

In summary, the scientific community avoids merging the concept of ‘comet’ because the word’s meaning is tied to origin (our solar system) and trajectory (bound orbit). The new designation focuses specifically on origin (outside our solar system) and trajectory (unbound orbit), preserving the clarity of astronomical language.

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